In this Podcast, Sabine (who translated the paediatric sections of Sun Simiao’s Bèi Jí Qiān Jīn Yào Fāng) and I focus specifically on a subject both she and I are passionate about - Transformations and Steamings (biàn zhēng). In the 21st century in the West, we tend to pathologize and medicalise aspects of childhood which Sun recognised to be important stages of development. Enjoy!